Madame Masque by Alex Maleev in Moon Knight #11
Axel Alonso, Axel-in-Charge (x)
I am also thrilled Marvel is adding more female-fronted books to its line-up, but I’m going to go a bit further and give them credit for it. I don’t believe these books “just sort of happened”— I think creative teams pitched stories and editors approved, and looked for, and found stories about women, and decided to publish them. Marvel made them happen, is what I’m saying. I want to thank them for that.
There’s this curious way of branding, where diversity is concerned, that it must happen organically, not “forced”, that we must wait for stories about the rest of us to materialize from thin air, fully formed and artistically pure, free from any agenda. I understand the marketing logic that insists stories are stories first, about women second, or coincidentally. I understand because people are afraid of agendas. But no story really happens by coincidence. Hawkeye is a big hit, and it came about because editorial saw an opportunity for a real Hawkeye moment in the summer of 2012, and because they worked to find a great pitch for it, and because the creative team worked to tell a great story. It didn’t just happen, any more than the period not so long ago when Marvel wasn’t publishing any ongoing female leads just happened. And I wonder why there’s still this idea floating around that good stories about women must happen by coincidence and not be worked for, when we’re straight-up honest that the big honchos gather in a smokey retreat room to plan the Major Events the storytelling in the MU revolves around. That these narratives are crafted, made.
(Marvel made them happen, is what I’m saying. I want to thank them for that.)
hello yes i would like a story with this exact plot but written by someone with more talent and commitment than me
When I wrote Velveteen Rabbit, my Iron Man 2 AU, I was very insistent that that story was not the end, only the end for now.
A year and a half later…um. Yeah, that was the end.
I honestly don’t see myself writing Iron Man fanfic outside of Tumblr memes again.
But I am glad you liked the drabble that got out of hand and ended up 7x longer than I meant it to be. Those boys can banter.
idk i think it’s relevant that iron man is always a-list in universe
Tony Stark is a culturally saturated common point of reference for every other character within the Marvel Universe.
A fun game: try to pick out all the times you see the word “Stark” in the background of a totally unrelated comic.
hhhow is it that people are trying to argue that Tony was A-list before the movie? He wasn’t. Hell, I wouldn’t call him A-list NOW.
well, in terms of people know who he is now… and the fact his movies do extremely well… that’s pretty a-list. and the fact that marvel now puts him in every other book like they tend to do with their most popular characters
but his comic sales certainly aren’t reflecting it.
He used to be pretty much C-list. His sales were in the crapper (at times so bad that his book was every other month) and they tried to change the premise like three times over the years. While a founder of the Avengers, his team membership was spotty.
Now, I would say he is B-list. Iron Man is a household name, but people generally do not care. They see the movie, if they like dudes with wieners, they lust for RDJ, and they go on with their lives. It’s like..a woman at work told me a few months ago that she was a Batman fan. This was pretty soon after the news broke that Helena Wayne was Robin in the nu Earth-2, so I got excited and wanted to talk lady Robins. At which point my colleague revised her statement to say she was a Christian Bale fan. RDJ is A-list. The character he plays is not. The publishing department keeps on trying to sell RDJ, but alas, their product is not RDJ. Their product is a comic book.
An A-list character/team is going to top the sales charts. They are going to top the news websites. Every. Little. Thing that Peter Parker does is news. Because he is A-list. Iron Man? Eh, he’ll get one interview with the writer before a new storyline starts. An A-list character/team is going to be able to support multiple books. How many books does Spidey or Wolvie or Deadpool have at any given time? At least 2, probably 3. Marvel has given multiple Iron Man titles a go a few times in recent years but it never works because the audience is not there. I don’t care how many movies he has, if he can’t bring in an audience without RDJ’s pretty eyes and biceps, he ain’t A-list.
I think a certain degree of cultural saturation is part of being A-list. You know who is A-list right now? Miley Cyrus is A-list, and I can tell because I can’t turn on the radio for five seconds without hearing about her. People are going to know the general gist of an A-list character. We all know Batman and Superman and Spider-Man and the Hulk’s deal, and we knew them before we out of diapers. These characters are part of our culture. I have never seen the old live action Hulk show, but I still know the characters’ names, the actors’ names, their catchphrases, the theme music, the credits montage… I know this because so many OTHER things I see reference it. Using the Hulk or Batman or Superman is a shorthand for people making a point. It’s a common point of reference. It’s the punchline to a joke or the redone lyrics to a novelty song. THAT is A-list.
very good points. i agree with pretty much everything. taking it as the be all end all of the rhodey character isn’t good and not true to the character.
also, true about his second stint as iron man. quite true
Sometimes, I fear I steamroll you into agreeing with me. I have a large number of very aggressive Armored Hero opinions.